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Human beings tend to identify as the voice in our heads, or at least as the creator of those thoughts. But what we really are is that which is conscious of the thoughts (and every other aspect of our experience) (edited)

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The recognition that our body/mind organism is just one aspect of the human being, the other being consciousness, can be extremely valuable in dismantling the unhappy voice in our head that keeps saying "I'm not good enough, I hate you, life should be different"

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It's really about a shift in perspective

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From "I need A, B and C in order to be a good person/complete/happy" to "oh right, this is all there is, and it couldn't be different, I can relax"

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Happiness for the human being is available once it becomes clear that happiness cannot be found in sustained pleasure, but instead is simply the absence of guilt, blame, pride, worry and expectation. Peace of mind

Sorry for TL;DR lol. Gonna go to bed

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Night <3

Has anybody here ever had a premonition dream?

sure, but they had pretty clear causes in my anxieties/what I was thinking about

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with my old hamster, I had a dream that he was going to die, and I woke up and he was dead

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but he was super old and sick and I knew he was going to die any day, and the last thing before bed I would do is check up on him, so I wasn't super amazed that I'd dreamt he'd died the night he died

RIP Hamster

yeah it's kinda hard having pets that don't live too long

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even if both my hamsters lived very long for hamsters, well over 2 years

@Deleted User Would love to hear your thoughts on the last stuff I wrote last night

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Feel free to reply TL;DR as well

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Not a premonition dream, but there was an extremely strange occurrence in a dream where I saw a TV that displayed the text "Wake up, you're dreaming." This was not a lucid dream. It was as if some part of myself knew I was dreaming, but my conscious self didn't. (edited)

@Maharani I think my eventual goal is to explore the higher states of experience and unify each state

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Oneness with all aspects of self

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An efficient mind

Those are states that are available

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But we're not really seeking to live life from a constant state of "oneness"

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Oneness states/experiences are just "teaching" experiences

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The "highest goal" that they are designed to help bring about is peace of mind in the ordinary "human" daily living perspective

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Life as we've always known it, except without the dysfunctional thoughts of shame, hatred, arrogance, anxiety and resistance

Human beings tend to identify as the voice in our heads, or at least as the creator of those thoughts. But what we really are is that which is conscious of the thoughts (and every other aspect of our experience)

Then why would we need to exist at all in order just to experience it? It's unnecessary. Unless... while we're not the originators of thoughts, we assign weight to/label them, and that determines how the brain categorizes information and what future thoughts arise and so thus influences future thoughts that arise?

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Excuse the redundancy.

the self is whatever you make it. humans are not smart enough to be able to understand the world as it is, so instead we make abstractions to represent the world in a more simplified way. the self is simply one of those abstractions. most people probably think of their self as their body/brain, us tulpamancers have reduced the self to "the part of the brain that thinks that it is me", and others still say that because the brain is just a machine that gains input from its senses and from itself, there is no actual choice or free will, and therefore there is no self. all of these are equally wrong, because when dealing with symbols, nothing is real. don't ask "what is real", instead ask "what is most useful to believe"

@Breloomancer I pretty much agree wholeheartedly

3:29 AM

Then why would we need to exist at all in order just to experience it?

@Calyra 👻 Because to experience it is the point. What all the moments of our life have in common is that we experienced them

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The universe that exploded into the galaxies gave rise to the conscious stardust that is you

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Why would stars need to exist at all? It's unnecessary ;3

You believe in a higher power, right? Because then it's moot. I am saying why would humans or any creatures evolve the massive complexity of being self-aware if that awareness doesn't DO anything? It makes absolutely no sense. It's such an insanely complex thing that I don't see any way it would have arisen to the point it's at with humans without providing some sort of advantage. Which means it DOES something. (edited)

You believe in a higher power, right?

Uhh not really?

3:42 AM

I am saying why would humans or any creatures evolve the massive complexity of being self-aware if that awareness doesn't DO anything?

Sure, our consciousness and our ability to survive are interdependent. You can't have one without the other

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But still, you're essentially asking "why did stardust settle in such a manner that it created living organisms?"

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Why is evolution happening? Why do humans procreate?

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Because living is the "purpose"

No, not so much. Because there's tons and tons of startdust that settled elsewhere and didn't produce living organisms, that's just the law of truly large numbers.

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There is no such thing as purpose.

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Except whatever purpose we make.

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At least if you're talking about life.

No, not so much. Because there's tons and tons of startdust that settled elsewhere and didn't produce living organisms, that's just the law of truly large numbers. There is no such thing as purpose.

Exactly!

You asked me "why would we need to exist at all if the only purpose is to experience it?" and I'm saying "because that's what stardust does (over here)" (edited)

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Consciousness, having an experience, that's what the universe "evolved" towards, first in the form of stars, then planets, then single-celled organisms, then us

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It's only a "purpose" in the sense that it was inevitable

Consciousness is far too advanced a thing to have arrived randomly it seems, though I'm willing to listen to an argument why you think it's not complex. Generally most things that take EFFORT to develop provide an advantage of some sort. All that computational power is not cheap, it comes at an exorbitantly larger caloric requirement than most other animals brains. So you're not going to develop something that is both extraordinarily difficult to evolve AND comes with competitive disadvantages, unless it is providing an ADVANTAGE of some kind or other.

though I'm willing to listen to an argument why you think it's not complex

Oh it's incredibly complex, much more so than we give it credit for, as I tried to argue in #tulpa-discussion the other day

And if it provides and advantage, it isn't passive. It DOES something, it servers a purpose a purpose that means that possessing it confers some reproductive or survival advantage.

Like I said, I agree: Consciousness and our ability to survive (in other words, to "be alive") are interdependent. You can't have one without the other

Free will is a poor concept because ultimately everything is deterministic IF you could map it down to the smallest level, but that doesn't mean that our thinking isn't active, isn't doing something, isn't making choices. It's just if you knew all the infinitesimal inputs you might be able to predict outcomes. But that's irrelevant. Because the illusion of free will also impacts those outcomes.

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I don't know why I still join this conversation, I hate it so much. Breeloo was basically right, so if you agree with him, we're on the same page. I just find the entire way that it's stated much of the time here to be incredibly obnoxious, lol.

Fair enough re: obnoxious

Sorry.

Don't worry :p I only really present the framework anymore when there are new people who haven't heard me spout it yet (edited)

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In this case Vin

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that doesn't mean that our thinking isn't active, isn't doing something, isn't making choices

The thinking is just one aspect of the experience. It's just one type of dysfunctional thinking that turns out to be a) at the cause of our unhappiness and b) "optional"

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A lot of thoughts are "harmless" in that they aren't centered around our worth and that of everyone we know, or on our dependence on the future to look a certain way

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"I'm gonna make pizza tonight, so I should buy flour and veggies" = functional thought

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Getting to the supermarket, finding all the flour sold out, and thinking "my night is ruined" = dysfunctional thought

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Well, sometimes it can just be painful emotion in the moment

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It really becomes "unhappiness" when we still think about it two or three hours later, as in "I'm such a dumbass, I should have gone to the supermarket earlier, I can't even feed myself"

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That's the unhappiness that we can be free of

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When the pain of finding no flour at the supermarket doesn't penetrate to our "sense of self", our comfortableness with life

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@Calyra 👻 See the distinction?

Sorry.

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We've had this conversation a million times and I think really it mostly just boils down to a disagreement over how it gets stated, lol.

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I mean a LITTLE more to it than that

Let me try one more different way of wording it

When we're "unhappy" (attitudinally, not emotionally), it's because of a type of thoughts whose commonality is that they are a) unnecessary for our survival and b) feel uncomfortable

4:12 AM

That our unhappiness is never the result of circumstance

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If you disagree, then it's more than just semantics

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'Cause that is really the main point I'm trying to sell, that unhappiness is never related to circumstance

Let's look at it from a sciencey perspective--sometimes things like fear, stress/anxiety (fight or flight) are maladaptive, especially since this is not the same type of life they were geared for, and we can and should realize that they're often not providing any benefit and allow ourselves to stop worrying for the sake of worrying.

Agreed

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Although "biological stress" in the form of "fight or flight" doesn't really fall under "dysfunctional thought" IMO (edited)

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The issue is "psychological/attitudinal" stress/anxiety

What I am talking about is when that response is triggered by things that aren't that type of situation

Makes sense!

@Calyra 👻 I am curious though about your thoughts regarding a higher power? Wasn't aware you believed in such

@Maharani I don't, lol.

5:07 AM

Lulas the closest thing we've got to anything spiritual.

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Well, and Scarlet thinks she IS a goddess.

Lol got it

@Breloomancer what if all time is really just the same and it's causality which is the variable?

what do you mean?

I mean, if you knew the sequence of causality, you could simplify time away completely

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Time is only useful in any equation when you have incomplete information

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And it works the same way as any other variable

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What is there that says that the future and present are separated?

time is the sequence of causality

In a sense, I suppose

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I guess I think of it more as a seed

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I just find that. When I make simulations of things

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One of the best possible ways to optimize it, is usually to remove continual time

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You don't simulate at 60fps for instance. What you do instead, is you precalculate all collisions that can happen in X amount of time, and you fast forward that gap instantly.

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The only reason I can't remove time from simulated realities completely, is because of the entropy

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Because my program has to calculate

well of course time doesn't flow like we think that it does, it only appears that way because our brains use causality to think

Randomly came across this link on my spiritual server, haven't even clicked it yet, but looks like it would be of interest to @Lula! | 👻 https://stormlightarchive.fandom.com/wiki/Surgebinding

Surgebinding

Surgebinding is a magic system that embraces ten types of Surges, which are the fundamental forces of nature. A person who can utilize Stormlight to bind Surges is called a Surgebinder...

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Nevermind I clicked it I guess this is within some fictional universe

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Stormlight is typically drawn from infused gemstones by inhaling and willing it to enter the body. As long as the Surgebinder is holding his or her breath, Stormlight leaks out much more slowly. Surgebinders holding Stormlight can hold their breath for greatly increased lengths of time, with Stormlight sustaining the body in place of oxygen. There are ten Surges: Adhesion, Gravitation, Division, Abrasion, Progression, Illumination, Transformation, Transportation, Cohesion, and Tension.